Wednesday, August 14, 2013

There are two ways to interpret Pope Pius IX

Ryan Grant says in a comment on Faithful Answers :

It is a pure jump to an absurd conclusion, much as the Feenyite reaction to deny the universal teaching of the theologians, which Pius IX taught is infallible, just because the modernists pervert it.

Here is Pope Pius IX
Which is the 'universal teaching of the theologians' that the orange passages contradict the yellow passage or that the orange passage is accepted in principle only and is know to God only and so is not a known exception to the yellow passage?


7. Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion...


8. Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom "the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior."[4] The words of Christ are clear enough: "If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;"[5] "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me;"[6] "He who does not believe will be condemned;"[7] "He who does not believe is already condemned;"[8] "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters."[9] The Apostle Paul says that such persons are "perverted and self-condemned;"[10] the Prince of the Apostles calls them "false teachers . . . who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master. . . bringing upon themselves swift destruction."-Quanto Conficiamur,Pope Pius IX,1863
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In Ryan Grant's theology the orange contradicts the yellow.He considers this the Magisterium of the Church including that of Pope Pius IX. Yet we can see from above that there are two ways to interpret Pope Piux IX. One is irrational. This is the one Ryan has chosen. This is not the infallible teaching of the Catholic Church.

The orange refers to cases explicit for God only while Ryan assumes that it refers to explicit for us cases which are known exceptions to the literal intepretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.
To assume that the orange refers to explicit for us cases is Cushingism, the error of Cardinal Richard Cushing in the Fr.Leonard Feeney case. Ryan chooses Cushingism which is irrational and non traditonal and rejects Feeneyism.

-Lionel Andrades

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