Journalists and bloggers spare Cardinal Sarah : no difficult questions

Journalists and bloggers did not put the right questions to Cardinal Robert Sarah at the event this week at the Angelicum University in Rome.Edward Pentin, Fr. Zuhlsdorf and others did not say :

1."Your Eminence, there is  blogger who says invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance (I.I) are not visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).So Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church for him are not a rupture with the past ecclesiology of the Mass.What have you to say about this?

2.He also says that we do not know of any practical exceptions to the dogma EENS,this year.We cannot meet or see any one saved outside the Church i.e without faith and the baptism of water.So for him there is no change in the ecclesiology of the Church.It is the same as when the missionaries in the 16th offered Mass in Latin.However this is not the ecclesiology of Cardinal Sarah he says.

3.For him the Tridentine Rite Mass offered by you(Cardinal Sarah) is a rupture with the ecclesiology of the Mass at the times of St. Paul.The ecclesiology at that time was exclusivist. Every one needed to be baptized with water in the Early Church, the early communities.They had to believe in Jesus as their Saviour and his teachings on faith and morals, for salvation. Do you agree?

4.For the blogger the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made an objective error in the Fr. Leonard Feeney case when it assumed that invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I were visible examples of salvation outside the Church.So the dogma EENS, upon which depended the past ecclesiology of the Church and which was the ecclesiology of the Mass, has been superseded. Do you agree?

5.He says Cardinal Sarah interprets hypothetical cases in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II as not being hypothetical.So his conclusion is non traditional with this irrational reasoning.This can be changed if he corrects himself.Would you be willing to change this irrational reasoning, the false premise (invisible people are visible in our reality) which results in a non traditional conclusion?

6.Could you affirm the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS since we know that invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I are not visible exceptions to the dogma EENS, they are irrelevant  to EENS in 2017? Then you would be back to the old ecclesiology upon which was based the ecumenism of return?-Lionel Andrades

 SEPTEMBER 16, 2017

It is with an irrational and heretical ecclesiology that Cardinal Sarah offers Holy Mass and is approved by the liberal popes and the Left

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/it-is-with-irrational-and-heretical.html

SEPTEMBER 16, 2017

Cardinal Sarah affirms a vague Christology without the necessity of being a member of the Catholic Church for salvation : this is a rupture with the past ecclesiology of the Greek and Latin Mass

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/cardinal-sarah-affirms-vague.html

SEPTEMBER 15, 2017

Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church rationally it does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : most Catholics have it wrong

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/if-you-read-catechism-of-catholic.html

SEPTEMBER 14, 2017

USCCB RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION AT PNAC :US GOVERNMENT SHOULD ADDRESS IT

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/usccb-religious-discrimination-at-pnac.html

SEPTEMBER 14, 2017

U.S Attorney General, House Ethics Committee could file a case of deception and cheating against the USCCB : discriminates against Catholics

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/us-attorney-general-house-ethics.html

SEPTEMBER 14, 2017

Lay Catholics inform your Bishop and Parish Priest that you do not know of any BOD, BOB and I.I case in 2017 : so you affirm the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/lay-catholics-inform-your-bishop-and.html

SEPTEMBER 13, 2017

Lay Catholics must reject the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office conclusion : expedient religious are teaching it in Catechism classes

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/lay-catholics-must-reject-1949-letter.html

It is with an irrational and heretical ecclesiology that Cardinal Sarah offers Holy Mass and is approved by the liberal popes and the Left

Cardinal Robert Sarah interprets the Catechism of the Catholic Church as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) so his address at the Angelicum this week was limited.1 For him hypothetical cases are objective in the present times. This is his inference when he does not affirm the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS. For him hypothetical cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are visible exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. So at the Angelicum he spoke about Mission but proclaimed a Christology without the necessity of being a formal member of the Church. This was a rupture with the ecclesiology of the Latin and Greek Mass of the past. The cardinal is a liberal on this issue and offers Mass like the two living, liberal popes.

The following hypothetical references in the Catechism would be explicit and objective exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS for him.

EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM

1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)

'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CCC 846).

3. Those 'justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).

4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).

5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).

For me there are no exceptions to the dogma EENS and the past ecclesiology of the Church mentioned in Vatican Council II. But for him there are. The following references from Vatican Council Ii for him and the two liberal popes, would be examples of known salvation outside the Catholic Church.

EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II

1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),

8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.

So there is nothing in Vatican Council II ,for me, to contradict the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS. Invisible people cannot be visible exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).But for Cardinal Sarah there are.

It is with this irrational and heretical ecclesiology that he offers Holy Mass and is approved by the popes and the Left.-Lionel Andrades

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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/if-you-read-catechism-of-catholic.html

Cardinal Sarah affirms a vague Christology without the necessity of being a member of the Catholic Church for salvation : this is a rupture with the past ecclesiology of the Greek and Latin Mass

Cardinal Sarah: "You Are Not 'Traditionalists'"

Addressing a conference on the Latin Mass at the Angelicum in Rome on Thursday, Cardinal Robert Sarah told those in the audience to stop calling themselves “traditionalists,” and to stop allowing …

The Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) and the sedevacantists are traditionalists since they interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise and then reject the conclusion which is a rupture with Tradition.So they reject Vatican Council II and admit it frankly.
Cardinal Sarah and the two living popes and the Vatican Curia also interpret Vatican Council II, assuming all hypothetical cases are visible examples of salvation outside the Church, even though they do not personally know of any case. So Vatican Council II is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They have used a false premise to elicit a non traditional conclusion which they accept unlike the SSPX and the traditionalists.
The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary also offer/attend the Traditional Latin Mass like the SSPX and the sedevacantists and they affirm the Feeenyite interpretation of the dogma EENS unlike the SSPX and Cardinal Sarah.However like the other two groups they interpret Vatican Council II with LG 16 etc referring to known people saved outside the Church in the present times. So the Council is a rupture with Tradition; a break with the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS and so they reject the Council on this point.
I affirm Vatican Council II with hypothetical cases not being explicit and so there is nothing in the Council to contradict the rigorist interpretation of the dogma EENS for me. The Council is not a rupture with Tradition. So I am different from the other three groups.I affirm the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS, like the St. Benedict Center, but do not interpret Vatican Council II like them, and the others.
Cardinal Sarah may not call me a traditionalist but then I am a Catholic, of the Roman Rite who attends Mass in Italian, Latin and Greek in Rome, but does not hold the same doctrines and theology as him.I affirm an exclusivist ecclesiology(without rejecting Vatican Council II) while he proclaims a vague Christology without the necessity of being a formal member of the Church for salvation.
I am affirming all magisterial documents but interpreting them with Feeneyism ( invisible people are invisible) and Cushingism ( invisible people are visible).
Cardinal Sarah would also be affirming all magisterial documents but he interprets them with Cushingism and so his conclusion is heretical and irrational for me.
Generally the secular media considers any one who affirms the dogma EENS as being a traditionalist who rejects Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise.-Lionel Andrades

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